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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Nov 17, 2002 11:10pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Running furthurnet on the archive hosts?

My only objection is that Furthernet is heavy-weight Java code. The program doesn't run very well on my PIII 600 with 256MB RAM - it takes a long time to load and is inefficient. It also doesn't support the option of downloading single tracks.

BitTorrent seems like a better, light-weight, alternative.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Nov 19, 2002 2:23pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re: Running furthurnet on the archive hosts?

I'd recommend Edonkey if you were considering BitTorrent. Edonkey has the same basic functionality of "swarmed" downloads but also the substantial advantage of a huge installed user base. Plus you'd get the added benefit of people doing searches stumbling across the material which you would not get with BitTorrent.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbrewster Date: Nov 19, 2002 8:17pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re: Re: Running furthurnet on the archive hosts?

edonkey sounds like something worth trying. since we are mostly a volunteer organization, if you know anyone that would be interested in installing and testing any of these systems, that would be great. we can provide access to the server systems.

thanks for the help!

-brewster

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Nov 21, 2002 3:32am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Running furthurnet on the archive hosts?

I'd be interested in working on this, I do unix sysadmin and some web programming. I sent you a private mail on how to get in touch with me.

The other suggestion I'd make is to have your publishing software make entries in the Bitzi catalog. Its an interesting bridge between various p2p networks and web space.

And of course there's Lessig's Creative Commons when its done.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 21, 2002 3:51am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: other distrib methods and archive

A quick look at bitzi.com makes me think it would be unsuitable to have any etree archive crosslinks there. It wouldn't seem to be in line with the "noncommercial only" requirements of etree.org and most all artists listed here.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Nov 21, 2002 4:24am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: other distrib methods and archive

There are many commercial catalogs that list information about noncommercial works, Internet search engines for instance. So, I don't think you can restrict listings of etree works in a catalog like bitzi.

There is the question of whether etree or archive.org would want to actively list works in bitzi. One reason for doing so is you would get the most accurate information into the catalog in a timely fashion, which would be an asset to users that came across the works on a p2p network and wanted to identify it.

That's one thing I like about open source licenses, they allow commercial or noncommercial models for getting the information seen as widely as possible. Sometimes one model works better than the other, sometimes both work together better than either one could by itself.

All this said, I would prefer to see something like btizi that was not commercial.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 21, 2002 9:09am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re: other distrib methods and archive

FWIW, most bands traded through etree.org aren't really "open source"- maybe it's more of a "restricted license" (hehe, I'm not a computer person, to know the jargon). Typical example from policy of Grateful Dead, Radiators (who are archived here) and others: "No commercial gain may be sought by websites offering digital files of our music, whether through advertising, exploiting databases compiled from their traffic, or any other means."

This post was modified by hamilton on 2002-11-21 17:09:52

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Poster: wharfrat Date: Nov 18, 2002 1:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Running furthurnet on the archive hosts?

Amen. I contacted the develpment team about getting the alterations to the gnutella protocol that were made for furthur in order to make a C cross platform native client. They were not interested. Apparently they like big huge cloggy applications.